The Impact of the C8 on My Car Communities

"VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely" (vajazzlemcdildertits) 07/22/2019 at 14:44 • Filed to: C8 Impact, C8, Corvette, think of the children, discussions

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I’d like to talk just a few moments about its impact in the car communities I am part of (present company excluded, as you know what you’ve done, Oppo)

1. The NSX FB groups are up in a tizzy arguing about its validity compared to a NA1 or NA2 for equivalent pricing. They are split pretty much half and half about why anyone would buy a NA1 now, or if the NSX badge (classic collectible syndrome) will keep high prices afloat.

2. The Supra/Toyota/Lexus groups are essentially in denial, with some arguing that the Supra started showing up in dealers today to almost minimal fanfare while everything post is still mid-engine-LT2. They’re not as heavily divided, but differing opinions are heavily varied. The price point is really making a lot of them think.

3. The C7 corvette groups I’m part of have completely gone apeshit. Everyone is either arguing about the anticipated falling of C7 prices or how they just wanted a manual or how mid engine isn’t a Corvette or bringing up the dreaded Camaro butt.

These are the only car groups I’m really part of. Like it or hate it, the C8 has managed to take even completely non-related car groups and literally have them focused on this one topic. Even if the car winds up being a dud on the road or track or explodes every 2 hours when it comes out, you can not deny the huge impact the car has had on the automotive scene.

I just have to pretend I haven’t seen it until the Z06 version comes out. I love it in that Rapid Blue. 

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 14:53

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See, I’m usually a Porsche and Ford shill, but boy is this a nice car. I really want one.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 07/22/2019 at 14:55

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I debated heavily before buying the C7 - I took a real long look at 911s and Lotuses and R35s. I even took a quick look at 05 Ford GTs (still well out of my price range) and now I am not looking at anything else. Such is life in C8 world

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 14:56

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I would have it in the safety yellow, with the Z51 package and all the carbon fibre.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 07/22/2019 at 14:57

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The C8.R is rumoured to be yellow like its predecessors and I can not wait to see it

For Sweden > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 14:58

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dreaded Camaro butt

In Oppo we stan the 

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:00

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Relevant

Spanfeller is a twat > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:01

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I’m sure the C8 is going to be fabulous but I am absolutely disinterested. Not due to any fault of the car... i just sort of wasn’t taken over by the wave of fanfare.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/22/2019 at 15:02

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I happen to locally be in the 3 communities that basically can afford it. NSX, Lexus F crew, and C7 Boomerville.

It’s been surreal. Oppo gonna Oppo tho

RT > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:03

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The original NSX is a near 30 year old design, so I’d be surprised if the C8 really affects that market. I doubt a car from 2019 could alter a cult status like that.

In the case of the new NSX though… oh boy .

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Spanfeller is a twat 07/22/2019 at 15:04

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Ya know everyone is so concerned about haters and shit but I think it’s ok to not like the car

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:04

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1. The NSX was a half-cocked Half Life 3 that took too long to deliver. I can’t say whether or not values will stay as they are or go up because I don’t really care.

2. LOL! Minimal fanfair for a downbadged Z4 coupe sold at a Toyota dealership is expected. Because everyone is gonna buy a Z4. Wait, they’re both Z4s.....The majority will buy the actual Z4.

3. Boomer boomer boomer boomer boomer boomer boomer. Also, late model cars are DEPRECIATING ASSETS. And I thought they taught better finance classes decades ago....I will admit that I can’t afford or will ever buy a C8 new and the lack of manual is saddening. But cheap ass C7s, my body will be ready in hopefully the next 5 years.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:07

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gettingoldercarguy > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:09

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Jealousy is an ugly color.

Basically you have an industry where they kept charging more and more for admittedly more performance and somebody called their bluff. I remember reading an industry insider saying how profitable the performance models are, keep the supply limited so the enthusiasts have to pay the price and you’ve got some solid icing on your cake.

Chevrolet called their two pair bluff  with a flush and now everybody else is going to have to match that hand to stay in the game.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > RT 07/22/2019 at 15:10

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Dude they are arguing on both of those levels - NA1 pricing for NC1 performance, and NC1 performance for NA1 pricing. Diehard NC1 fans are talking about making the switch when the Z06/ZR1 are released.

BeaterGT > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:11

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VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 07/22/2019 at 15:11

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That is not the colour I was thinking of and I genuinely  like it

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/22/2019 at 15:13

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They never taught finance classes ever. Have you heard some of the debt stories from the old days when people financed everything and planned obsolescence was the norm?

As of the other stuff, I mean, ok those criticisms are valid I guess. 

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > BeaterGT 07/22/2019 at 15:14

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I’ll be in my bunk

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:16

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They will probably only sell like 3 in that hue. But since purple isn’t an option, it’s what I would go with.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 07/22/2019 at 15:18

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It will look amazing when that guy crashes it at my local Cars and Coffee

Tapas > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:19

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I love the idea of a mid-engined Corvette at this price point. I know it’s an awesome car (or there’s every indication that it will be awesome once people get to drive it.)

I’m just not a fan of how it looks.

$60k (realistically $75k or CAD90k) is too much money to spend on a car that you don’t like visually . Regardless of how awesome it is.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Tapas 07/22/2019 at 15:22

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Pretty fair point tbh people are hating the rear especially. I like it a lot more from the front in certain colours. 

RT > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:23

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That I can understand. If the NC1 looked to be in an awkward position before, it’s essentially checkmate now.

However , I’d still say the appeal for an NA1 revolves more around style and driver involvement. No one is buying them for sheer performance, especially since they’re classic cars now. A modern day four- cylinder Mustang is more powerful. Original NSXs are a product of 90s Japan: over-engineering, historical merit , and aftermarket   support.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > RT 07/22/2019 at 15:24

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I think so too, but I’m not certain what the market for them will look like in a year. Although you can get some pretty solid perf numbers with Forced Induction

RT > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:27

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Agreed. The  NA1 still isn’t a slow car, or an any less viable platform (lap times confirm this ). It’s just an old car with a different sort of following.

someoneatacura > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:30

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I’m not speaking for the folks on NSX prime, which I can confirm has some crazy ass members, but we don’t fully know the performance numbers for this car yet, or how it will drive. People choosing which hill to die on already is pretty damned stupid.

Also, this is a great car for ALL car enthusiasts for one simple reason - competition. In the photography world, when one manufacture comes out with a really great product, all the other manufactures start pushing hard to match or exceed it, while not increasing the prices of models in that bracket of camera . All users win, as each manufacture tries to improve the same overall device while keeping the costs the same. This car will do the same thing - it will force manufactures to offer comparable products for comparable prices , or lose out.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > Tapas 07/22/2019 at 15:31

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On the flip side, I LOVE how it looks, especially without the wing. I’d much rather have the C8 than a GT500, Supra, Hellcat,  or even C7.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > someoneatacura 07/22/2019 at 15:32

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I think it’s safe to say that the most volatile members of those groups are the loudest right now and since there are no real numbers or real world examples it would be premature to say one way or another.

I mean, I’m 100% with you, but the ideal society where everyone does that does not yet exist, although my local NSX fellas come pretty close

way2blu does a rev update > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:33

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Rapid Blue?

I’ve posted this one before but it just got posted again:

*drool emoji*

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > way2blu does a rev update 07/22/2019 at 15:34

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way2blu does a rev update > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:35

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C8 Z51, black wheels & stripes, “high wing package” and nothing else.

I’ve got dibs on this spec, btw.

benn454 > BeaterGT 07/22/2019 at 15:40

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 The artist who made that render is my hero.

AestheticsInMotion > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:42

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As a lover of Japanese sports cars and a person who never wanted to be associated with Corvettes... I can't imagine buying a new Supra now. Maybe this will spur Toyota to offer a manual... 

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:52

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I don’t have to hear the debt stories because people are still doing that now, and planned obsolescence is still a thing haha! That said, I would love to read them regardless.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 15:55

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And spec’ d

Competition seats

Tapas > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 07/22/2019 at 15:59

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I a gree. I would want this car as much as you if I loved how it looks.

gettingoldercarguy > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 16:04

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Some numbers are known and the dynamics have been inferred. Given how big of a leap the c7 was from the c6 with regards to drivin g experience, I think we’re all in for a big treat.

CompactLuxuryFan > way2blu does a rev update 07/22/2019 at 16:06

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Ooh that wing really takes the rear to the right place! Problem solved for me, I am now fully on board with the looks 

Discerning > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 07/22/2019 at 16:11

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That is the first yellow on a Corvette I don’t like. And I used to own a 2003 Z06 in yellow.

My favorites are the grey metallic and white so far. I like understated colors with aggressive lines and shapes

Discerning > BeaterGT 07/22/2019 at 16:12

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I hope they offer a shade of yellow closer to the c7r shade on there near future

superdave847 > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 16:15

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“3. The C7 corvette groups I’m part of have completely gone apeshit. Everyone is either arguing about the anticipated falling of C7 prices or how they just wanted a manual or how mid engine isn’t a Corvette or bringing up the dreaded Camaro butt.” 

On the main page of Jalopnik, Corvette fan boys tore into me for saying we should wait to see the numbers before crowning this car with a hypothetical ZRI package the fastest car ever.

I simply pointed out that Ferrari, Lamborghini, and McLaren have been doing this whole mid-engined thing a long time so Chevy might have a learning curve before it’s the fastest car around Nürburgring.

Reading comments from the Corvette community, almost moved me from being super excited about this car (and considering a purchase) to really looking down on them.

But the car is so cool. It doesn’t deserve to be tied to the opinions of old-school fans, it just deserves better owners.

superdave847 > way2blu does a rev update 07/22/2019 at 16:15

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That’s beautiful. I would take the white one.

superdave847 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/22/2019 at 16:25

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“2. LOL! Minimal fanfair for a downbadged Z4 coupe sold at a Toyota dealership is expected. Because everyone is gonna buy a Z4. Wait, they’re both Z4s.....The majority will buy the actual Z4.” 

Personally, I’m a big BMW fan, but if I were buying one of these I would by the coupe instead of the convertible.

For the same reasons I would buy a Cayman over a Boxster (although the Spyder has my full attention).

But, for me neither are an option because of the transmission choice.

Last, the NSX is a cool, seemingly amazing car. But, Acura is a brand that basically relies on GM- style badge engineering (leather seats in Hondas)

Acura  does not generate the fan base to bring in buyers or drive up values. Prices won’t depreciate, but they won’t go up either.

BarryDanger > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 16:29

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From the RADwood group:

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C4 Sawblade all the things.”

Textured Soy Protein > CompactLuxuryFan 07/22/2019 at 16:42

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Yeah the regular Z51 wing really doesn’t work for me. This is a little juvenile looking but it flows with the shape much better so what the hell, might as well.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 17:34

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At this point my stance is.

1 it really should have a manual option.

2. I hope the next gen Camaro, or a lower tier FR corvette does show up, and it a good drift car. C5,6, and 7 are basically becoming the New S Chassis at this point, with the Z33/35 being it’s only real competitor,  and I think GM should keep that going. 

BeaterGT > superdave847 07/22/2019 at 17:41

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Even in the videos Chevrolet released, they admit the car did not feel good right away and needed a lot of improving. The whole thing i s brand new, it would be naive to think every piece will be perfect on the first attempt.

Still can’t wait until more pricing info is released.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > gettingoldercarguy 07/22/2019 at 21:10

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The C8 is coming in at base model boxster money. Is the boxster a great car, yes. But that is a heck of a power bump for only 250lbs increase. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/22/2019 at 21:22

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Interesting watching a couple porsche pages. “hey why/how is this the same price as a base boxster?”

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Tapas 07/22/2019 at 23:59

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I agree, but I think it may be fixable.

The lines on the side, the general profile of the car, I like.

If the front end and especially the rear fascia were cleaned up to really look special and cohesive, I think the car could go from interesting to down right sexy .

I am half tempted to see what a fully painted, or contrast painted pieces in the grille. Considering how the center is solid, and the sides are ducted to side radiators, a modernized take on the C3 look could perhaps work.

Tapas > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 07/23/2019 at 00:23

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True.

Also l et’s see what sema does to this lol

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Tapas 07/26/2019 at 19:49

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IMO the front and rear are the biggest problems and can be fixed with body kits. The front is the worst for me—it looks too generic and busy at the same time, which is quite an achievement.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/26/2019 at 19:53

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A hot version of the C8 will destroy the value proposition of the NSX, which was questionable to begin with.